tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5331156725554508589.post634750337795686350..comments2023-10-04T05:09:54.848-05:00Comments on Contra Mundum: Edwards vs. PiperAndyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02908788730958708701noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5331156725554508589.post-87836139530858170042019-02-14T00:05:12.082-06:002019-02-14T00:05:12.082-06:00Excellent Bro Andy. Keep it up.Excellent Bro Andy. Keep it up.Sam Salvehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10524818616748318879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5331156725554508589.post-51627831312269852062018-12-22T00:21:41.126-06:002018-12-22T00:21:41.126-06:00My family and I attended Bethlehem Baptist Church ...My family and I attended Bethlehem Baptist Church during Piper's last three years as the head preaching pastor. What is so frustrating about this sort of enthusiasm coming from him is that I know from sitting there all those Sundays that he can take a passage of scripture and open it up in ways that will just blow your mind. When he confines himself to the text, he is terrific. <br /><br />I learned so much about how to read the bible by watching him preach. He typically would read the text, tell us what he was going to tell is that it said, and then basically say, "follow me through the text and I'll show you how I got there". When he just exegetes, he's great.<br /><br />But then he goes and says things like this. And this is not an isolated incident. He says and writes things that are just maddening because he absolutely should know better, given his exegetical talent. I would not be surprised to find that Piper, unfortunately, has been the gateway drug that opened quite a few people up to Charismatic nonsense. Then again, perhaps he has been a bridge from Charismatic nonsense to real, solid, Reformed theology to others. Here's hoping. <br /><br />As an aside, I told my mother years ago, after Piper retired his preaching post, that Bethlehem Baptist Church would begin to drift further and further from orthodoxy after he left. He gets wonky, but he doesn't follow his idiosyncrasies to their logical conclusions most of the time. I said that once he was gone, the new preacher, whoever he was, would not have the same gravitas and cult of personality, and so would not be able to reign that stuff in. From what I understand, BBC is beginning to go exactly the way I said it would. Charismania, woke social justice stuff, etc...<br /><br />What a shame. Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15056210915546208869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5331156725554508589.post-45975353515178978662014-03-12T14:36:06.464-05:002014-03-12T14:36:06.464-05:00John is about John and the entire statement emphas...John is about John and the entire statement emphasizes John. It's been that way for years and years with John. Love em' but don't need em' nor seek to "hear" em. Reformationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06818168068978748081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5331156725554508589.post-62172743918213050182014-03-12T12:47:48.562-05:002014-03-12T12:47:48.562-05:00This line of reasoning that he is merely "rem...This line of reasoning that he is merely "remembering Scripture," is old, tired, and incorrect. If all he claims is that he remembered a verse. why did he have to fence it with the statement that he NOW KNOWS that God speaks, because He spoke into his head with "self-authenticating authority?" He is implicitly comparing what he heard in his head with Scripture. I am perpetually baffled that no one sees this! They have eyes, yet see not.Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02908788730958708701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5331156725554508589.post-16958888340318639692014-03-11T02:57:41.366-05:002014-03-11T02:57:41.366-05:00Reformation: Did you understand that all he did wa...Reformation: Did you understand that all he did was remember Scripture that the Holy Spirit brought to his mind? What is so horrible about that?M&M in Japanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13792526827928895846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5331156725554508589.post-48178147453751471792014-02-24T16:00:53.543-06:002014-02-24T16:00:53.543-06:00I never bought Mr. Piper. Not then, not now and s...I never bought Mr. Piper. Not then, not now and surely not in the future. Nor Lloyd-Jones (yes, I read most of his writings) nor Edwards (yes, him too including a grad course on him by an Edwardean scholar). Bye, bye John. We love ya' but don't need ya,' now or ever. We're Reformed Churchmen, not of the sect of Anabaptists nor the sect of the Chrismoes. Reformationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06818168068978748081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5331156725554508589.post-6673495850174153882014-02-24T15:51:13.437-06:002014-02-24T15:51:13.437-06:00The article is double-talk. It essentially says, &...The article is double-talk. It essentially says, "No one is allowed to claim extra-biblical revelation but me, because my experience made me humble." Either the canon of Scripture is closed or it isn't. His mistake is that he is willing to judge the validity of the experience by his standard of doctrinal content. That is insufficient. The experience must be judged, before every other consideration, on whether we are even warranted to believe that this sort of Pentecostalist stuff happens. He takes it for granted that such is the case and proceeds to discount another man's equally compelling experience because his personal pay-off was better. <br /><br />I'm not buying. Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02908788730958708701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5331156725554508589.post-82280377135400629272014-02-24T15:02:08.586-06:002014-02-24T15:02:08.586-06:00Kuya Andy read the whole article and listen to who...Kuya Andy read the whole article and listen to whole 11 min clip and then tell me what you think<br />http://www.desiringgod.org/articles/the-morning-i-heard-the-voice-of-god<br />mephiboshethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04653048346288989896noreply@blogger.com