tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5331156725554508589.post1692810332860051441..comments2023-10-04T05:09:54.848-05:00Comments on Contra Mundum: Universal Grace is CrueltyAndyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02908788730958708701noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5331156725554508589.post-25582056487778903452018-02-16T08:33:13.611-06:002018-02-16T08:33:13.611-06:00Two Methodist scholars, S D Gordon and William McC...Two Methodist scholars, S D Gordon and William McCabe, many years ago wrote a book entititled “The Presceience Of God”. This view endorses the open view of God - a view other well know Arminians past and present openly declare to be heresy. To their credit however, at least Gordon and McCabe had the HONESTY to admit their motive - to discredit what they deemed the “logical consistency of Calvinism” once foreknowledge was admitted to in God. They (and all Open theists) saw the obvious inconsistency among the majority of Arminians who protest Calvinism but affirm God always knew who would and would not be saved, even from before the foundation of the world. <br />As the article above correctly affirms, the only or at least the primary reason for WHY the nonsense of Open Theism was ever invented was to try and avoid the glaring inconsistency among the majority of Arminans. Therefore the M.O. of the Open Theist is clear: Deny the truth of Divine foreknowledge regardless of how much scripture expressly affirms it; cling to one or two archaic passages which they suppose show God doesn’t know certain things in advance; re-define the very attribute which God Himself in Isaiah repeatedly declared PROVES Him to be “God” - His ability to declare the end from the beginning, to call forth and bring to pass, to accurately declare the past and the future, pathetically try to explain away the inconvenient texts which state Jesus “knew from the beginning who did not believe and who would betray him”, knew adead of time that Peter would (not merely could) deny Him and knew precisely when and how many times, and knew what would happen to Peter “wen he was old” - SO THAT in the end, they end up with a mere caricature of God, an anemic, empty shell of the Deity. And why? Because they prefer such a gross distortion to the truth because they internally hate and despise the God of scripture who as He so clearly said to Moses chooses whom He will have mercy on or not.<br /><br />As for the comment that suggested the truth commonly associated with Calvinism is built on a “few scriptures”, LOL! Genesis to Revelation affirms the same truth.<br />Arminianism as a system of doctrine is false on almost every level. It is at every turn a distortion of the truth. And regardless of how many similarities it may have to the truth, it is not the same thing. John Platanitishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06189621414668174616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5331156725554508589.post-86710243260884488302018-02-15T08:32:04.058-06:002018-02-15T08:32:04.058-06:00Well, If I read the bible with just a few scriptur...Well, If I read the bible with just a few scriptures in the forefront, I might conclude the same. However, if I understood God this way, would it really matter if I replied against God since I was destined to this condemnation? The ignorance that Calvinists have about actual real arminian doctrine never ceases to amaze me. You charge us with your paper tiger arguments with things we clearly do not believe. If I believed like the Calvinists purported that I did, I would also call it heresy.<br /><br />Let me say a few things by way of response: <br />1. I typically refuse to approve comments that are submitted anonymously, especially if they are critical comments. If you haven't the courage to affix your name to your objections, I haven't the time or necessity to take you seriously. I approved your comment precisely because your response proves the assertion I made in the article. You literally said “would it really matter if I replied against God since I was destined to this condemnation?”. This is exactly what I affirmed Arminians to reply when faced with the Bible's teaching on election.<br />2. It isn't a matter of a few stray passages. When Paul builds his case in Romans and Ephesians, he cites numerous Old Testament passages to demonstrate his case. Moreover in Romans 9, his opponents present the exact objection I have heard from Arminians with my own ears and have read in standard Arminian texts with my own eyes. “If God has predestined everything, then if a person sins (as he is undoubtedly predestined to do), why does God fault him for it? After all, he is only doing what he was predestined to do.” Notice that Paul doesn't dance around the assertion and claim that he has been misunderstood. Neither does Paul appeal to mystery or paradox. He flatly rebukes the objector: “O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?” You might object that there is a difference between a man and a piece of inanimate clay. Of course there is, but the difference is still only a finite difference, because both are mere creatures. Whereas the difference between God and a potter is infinite: God is infinitely more than a potter. Whatever rights a potter has over his clay, God's has infinitely more rights over man whom He has created to dispose of as He pleases. <br />3. I put to you this challenge: Provide me with solid arguments culled from the standard accepted Arminian theology texts that disclaim the arguments I have put into their mouths – your so-called “paper tigers.” Then we'll talk. Go and read Girardeau's Calvinism and Evangelical Arminianism. In it you will find plenty of citations from the standard Arminian authoritative writers on every locus of theology - demonstrating Arminianism to be far worse than I presented it in this article.<br />4. As for “paper tigers:” Do Arminians believe in universal grace or not? Of course they do. Do Arminians believe in free-will? Of course they do. Do Arminians believe that God looks down the corridors of time and sees who will and will not believe on Him? Of course they do. Say what you want, everyone of these positions logically terminates in Atheism. The fact that most Arminians do not follow their own system to its logical conclusion does not negate this fact. A “god” who creates beings over whom he has no meaningful control, who wants to save everyone but can't because he absent-mindedly gave them a will which enables them to frustrate His almighty power, who, while being eternal himself, has no eternal thoughts or plans regarding his creation because he can only react to what they do in time – this is a feebler “god” than Baal. It is rank atheism. Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02908788730958708701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5331156725554508589.post-12393752862308885862018-02-13T14:30:41.660-06:002018-02-13T14:30:41.660-06:00Well, If I read the bible with just a few scriptur...Well, If I read the bible with just a few scriptures in the forefront, I might conclude the same. However, if I understood God this way, would it really matter if I replied against God since I was destined to this condemnation? The ignorance that Calvinists have about actual real arminian doctrine never ceases to amaze me. You charge us with your paper tiger arguments with things we clearly do not believe. If I believed like the Calvinists purported that I did, I would also call it heresy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5331156725554508589.post-75504339667072953132011-08-18T17:05:46.814-05:002011-08-18T17:05:46.814-05:00It never ceases to amaze me that people who are pr...It never ceases to amaze me that people who are presumably acquainted with Scripture fall so easily into the negative categories Scripture foretells: Rome calls its leader vicar of Christ (which is ἀντίχριστος in Greek). You'd think someone would've said, "You know, that's not really the best title." Then the Arminians present the exact same arguments Paul's opponents did, and nobody says, "Wait a minute; this doesn't help our cause."Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02908788730958708701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5331156725554508589.post-75643271880138967802011-08-18T08:25:18.314-05:002011-08-18T08:25:18.314-05:00One thing that I have always found curious about t...One thing that I have always found curious about this habit of Arminians is that they dare to ask a question to which Scripture gives such a stinging reply. You phrase the question, "How, they ask, can a loving God predestinate men to live in unrepentant sin, and then punish them with eternal hellfire for doing what was predestined?" Paul , speaking in the voice of the questioner, phrases the same question (Romans 9:19), "You will say to me then, 'Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?'" Then, in response (verses 20 and 21), "But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, 'Why have you made me like this?' Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use?" The Arminians forget that God is Creator, and they merely creatures. Who are they to accuse God of injustice?Chris Colehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08235793234791146943noreply@blogger.com